Curse

ALICE WInterLand · Aug 08, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

i love the ELITE updates persoanlly.....now there are more elite choices rather than the same old same old......like vision of regreat ...its like an elite version of backfire and empthy combine....and i like the extend condition elite better now of course.still i persoanlly think EMpediec is enough there , and still no excuse for me to bring Extend contidion along..

I like the new Air of disenchanment ,besides removing buff at ur target and foes around it,it can expire up to 300% faster?.tat is almost instanly...so to think of it.air of disenchenment is able to remove the target buff twice in one go.even with no POints in air of disenchanment it expire buff in 150% ..

Lyssa 's aura: i seldom thought of this skill cuz so what if i steal energy from target.if i get spam constantly whats the use of stealing energy if i am being target by those elem warlords.they might kill me in just 2 - 3 spellls hit!
Now with new updates.i am able to regenrate my energy consistanly while hexing warriors and Interrupting mages without the need to get Hurt first!!.tat's so cool!

the new face of Tease is cool too.....the act tat it chnage to an Interrupting skill and stealing energy is so much better than touch and run for cover that is just plain silly.....interrupting target and around the target.and also stealing energy from them all.thats really hitting 3 birds with 1 stone!..

i am sad about Signet of midnight.lol.it seem to be the only one that is getting a debuff...its my favourtae elite somehow.but still so much more combo to come up with.......Mesmer is really going to annoy lots more..I love the updates!

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 08, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

I think the mesmer update can be summed up pretty easily.

PVE TEIM

upier · Aug 08, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

I LOVE Tease. It's the elite I wanted when I was running illusion ages ago in PvE.
Too bad Visions is skill only otherwise it could be a nice contender for Tank/healer/nuker-teams if it comes back.
Pure e-management skills are good so LA is a nice addition.
Air sounds fun for Aspy.

Is any of the skills good enough so that I switch out AP for it?
Hell no!

ALICE WInterLand · Aug 08, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

"Too bad Visions is skill only otherwise it could be a nice contender for Tank/healer/nuker-teams if it comes back"

i don get what u mean...

am not good with short forms.so enlighten me whats the skill u call "AP'?

cellardweller · Aug 08, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Assasin's promise. None of the elite buffs compare with being able to cast Cry of Pain every 2-4 seconds.

ALICE WInterLand · Aug 08, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

oh.we werent trying to outtalk which elite vs which elite tats not fair. its elite skills improvement..umm..these new Buffs of elite.....are more fun to use than regular and able to come up with more fun combo/builds when u are bored of the same old thing.......in pve as well as Pvp....i guess it calls for brain cellur activtion....

Lishy · Aug 08, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Assasin's promise. None of the elite buffs compare with being able to cast Cry of Pain every 2-4 seconds.

What if we were to take Norgu with VoR?

Also, does the dmg of VoR trigger when the spell is activating or when it is activated?

cellardweller · Aug 08, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

What if we were to take Norgu with VoR?

Also, does the dmg of VoR trigger when the spell is activating or when it is activated?

I'd be more inclined to run illusion+insp on Norgu. If I bring a norgu, its because of the awesomeness of the visages, which has mutually exclusive effect with VoR.
[tease][clumsiness][wandering eye][ancestor's visage][sympathetic visage][power drain][dwayna's sorrow][Resurrection Chant]

Running there DS Frees up the secondary on your MM - put whatever else you want in there.

upier · Aug 08, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by ALICE WInterLand

"Too bad Visions is skill only otherwise it could be a nice contender for Tank/healer/nuker-teams if it comes back"

i don get what u mean...

If it would trigger also on (non-skill)attacks it could be used as a nice replacement for SS.
Especially since as a mesmer you have access to CoP.
It would be a nice cookie.

Magikarp · Aug 08, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

VoR is so broken imo, and yet.. i've given up on caring lol. When i finally decide AP is boring (which until its nerfed.. i wont) i'll run VoR... until then.. i'll let Kottis run it and we'll cast CoP all over it, and dance in the rain of brokeness.

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 08, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

If it would trigger also on (non-skill)attacks it could be used as a nice replacement for SS.
Especially since as a mesmer you have access to CoP.
It would be a nice cookie.

Hey, VoR is now an unrestricted Backfire, AND it hexes adjacent targets. I think it pretty much is equal to, if not better then SS.

Tease looks awesome, especially if you want to go overboard and use Cry of Frustration and Pain.

I was hoping to see some sort of change to Simple Thievery, but I'm glad Mesmers are finally getting the buffs they deserve

Hell, I think the only time Simple Thievery got any use was when it was bugged. I say bring back the bug! at least for PvE!

Magikarp · Aug 08, 2008, 07:57 AM // 07:57

lol no no no...

its way better than SS...

upier · Aug 08, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Btw - this just hit me:
Let's say you have 10 in Insp - which gives you a +3 e-regen with LA.
In 10 secs that should give you some 10ish energy (one pip of e-regen should be 0.33 so 3 is 0.99) on top of the normal e-regen.
So you waste 5 energy to get LA up and running and then you waste (at least) 5 more energy to keep it going every 10 secs.
Which means that in 30 secs - you regen a bonus of about 10 energy (for the first 30 secs) and 15 for each additional 30 secs.

Now let's look at GoLE.
Every 30 secs - you save 15 energy.
With 0 investment.

Since LA is an Inspiration elite and requires a massive investment - I presume I made some mistakes with my math.
Right?
RIGHT?!?!?

guruspack · Aug 08, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

no mistakes in your mathematical conclusion. but you not casting something only to reaplying la, right. so, i think something linke this could work realy well:

[Lyssa's Aura][Wandering Eye][Clumsiness][Ether Nightmare][Cry of Pain][optional][optional][optional]

cellardweller · Aug 08, 2008, 11:27 AM // 11:27

I'm looking for something that will trigger on lyssa re-applicaition (like soul barbs + recurring insecurity) anyone else find something?

upier · Aug 08, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by guruspack

no mistakes in your mathematical conclusion. but you not casting something only to reaplying la, right.

Ohh you're right!
So basically you gain some 25 energy BUT you must burn at least 15 of those to get that kind of energy. But that still leaves with a plus of 10 energy - compared to 0 from GoLE!
That DID slip my mind!
Nice catch!

(Not sure about it's use in PvE though. Since that means that you need to cast a spell on a foe every 10 secs to keep it up. Might include a LOT of rushing to manage that.)

zwei2stein · Aug 08, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by upier

Since LA is an Inspiration elite and requires a massive investment - I presume I made some mistakes with my math.
Right?
RIGHT?!?!?

Yep. That 5 energy you use to maintain it is questionable - you should be using spell at least once in 10 seconds while in combat, so you can't consider its cost as 5e wasted of maintaining lyssa because you would use it anyway for its effect.

guruspack · Aug 08, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by upier

(Not sure about it's use in PvE though. Since that means that you need to cast a spell on a foe every 10 secs to keep it up. Might include a LOT of rushing to manage that.)

Yeah, I can't test it yet by myself, cause I'm at work, but I think it is not that pain in PvE, even if you will loose LA from time to time, between the fights. I think it is not that strong skill on its own, but it makes a lot of interesting builds possible, cause of that I realy like it.

Master Mxyzptlk · Aug 08, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I wouldn't expect VoR to overtake SS. While the differences in duration and recharge, even not activating on attacks, aren't a big deal, the problem with VoR is which part is AoE. The Hex is AoE, not the damage (think clumsiness, not Wandering Eye).

This means you can't arcane echo it, cast it on two enemies standing next to each other, and have them each damage each other the way SS can. Theres also not really anyway to speed up their use of skills like you can their attacks with SS, short of something like infuriating heat.

I like VoR, I appreciate the gesture from Anet, I'm happy. But VoR is no SS

kostolomac · Aug 08, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

The only good pve update is LA , it could be used as energy management for Necrosis Spam.

If VoR triggered on attacks too (even half damage) it would be awesome. But now it's like an improved backfire , and backfire sucks. The best thing about VoR is still the icon

I expected more from the update , but this is enough i guess

AP is still the best elite for mesmers,